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DarkwingDork, November 1st, 2011, 12:36 pm ( Reply )

- You guys don't know how long I've been waiting for this strip to go up. :)

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I do believe Reece has just said what many of us have been thinking/saying for some time now, and said it quite well. It's not easy to stop an elephant dead in its tracks.

Still...I'm a bit surprised that it was Reece who finally said it. I was expecting Sheila to be the one.

posted by Roaming Shadow (Guest) on November 1st, 2011, 12:11 pm

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I wanted Reece to be the one because (1) since she's been quiet the whole time while everyone else immediately reacted to Ginger, she's basically been a slow-burning fuse leading to a big explosion, and (2) it's kind of funny that it was Reece, since that's unexpected. Beware the nice ones...

posted by DarkwingDork on November 1st, 2011, 12:35 pm

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About freaking TIME. *quad-applauds Reece*

posted by tazel on November 1st, 2011, 6:45 pm

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Ginger's not confused, she's just a loud-mouth who likes to inflate her own ego and "superiority" by bashing others whenever she can, whether or not there is any grounding for what she says, like the fact that she too departed with the group. Should that be pointed out, she'd likely come up with some defence to save face with equally shaky reasoning, and it would devolve into one of those annoying arguements that really serve no point.

Given her frequent derogatory remarks, it's little wonder why much of what she says ticks off the other characters, leading to a lot of heated words. Besides, Ally is still pretty level headed, and the other two hybrids haven't exactly gone off the deep end either. As for Ginger vs Shiela, I don't believe it's an anger management issue for Ginger, like it can be for Shiela, but rather a matter of insecurity.

And as a reminder, none of their goals even technically revolve around directly deposing Krassus. From this and previous comments, it seems you believe "defeat Krassus" is the primary objective of the "campaign". Technically speaking, all of their goals and primary objectives revolve around retrieving stolen property. For the girls, it's aiding Kaige and Kiley in their retrival to get information regarding Temujin from the elder. It just so happens that in order to retrieve said stolen property, they'll likely need to confront Krassus, as the artifacts are in one of his personal chambers (though the group is not privy to this information yet, though they know they're kept somewhere in his stronghold). Besides, if he were easily avoided while retrieving the artifacts/emblems, he really wouldn't make for much of a villain in this scenario.

They need not even alter Krassus' reign to achive any of their goals, though not doing something against him will likely lead to him doing it again, which is something the group likely doesn't want to see happen. And being good people who frequently fight "the good fight", if they're likely going to have to confront Krassus anyway, might as well bring and end to his oppresive reign while they're there.

posted by Roaming Shadow (Guest) on November 1st, 2011, 11:36 pm

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GT, it's clear that you have strong opinions about how to write webcomics. It's equally clear that you are summat lacking in the ability to express your ideas clearly. May I suggest that you start up a webcomic of your own, in which you can make use of your ideas, and then point to a concrete example of How It's Supposed To Work?

posted by Cubist (Guest) on November 2nd, 2011, 12:27 am

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Ideas are fine but very few comics survive if the art isn't worth a lick.
I'd say both were pretty good here.....(I can think of two strips which run and run with the equivalent of stick figures but it isn't usual)

posted by Arcaton (Guest) on November 2nd, 2011, 12:57 pm

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*ahem* methinks Ginger needs a trunkwillizer...

posted by Arcaton (Guest) on November 2nd, 2011, 12:59 pm

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"Order of the Stick" wouldn't happen to be one of those two, would it?

posted by Roaming Shadow (Guest) on November 2nd, 2011, 1:13 pm

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I was thinking "xkcd" myself...

posted by DarkwingDork on November 2nd, 2011, 1:19 pm

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Need to feel important? Not sure where you got that from, but whatever makes you happy.

It seems you're not a fan of debate. You made a point, I made a counter-point, to which you attacked me personally instead of my arguement. Personally, I'm not sure where you're getting some of your assertions about the plotline, such as the whole "group goal is to beat Krassus" thing, and that responding angrily to hostility automatically makes one a loose canon.

And frankly, you're beginning to remind me of Ginger. To quote Reece, "All this time, you've done nothing but complain". At this point, I think you'll do the comic creator more good if you took all of your opinions and posted on the comic's forum, either in your own thread or the one already up for the plotline, an entire critique of the plotline, to which you can update whenever you have a new complaint...I mean opinion to express, so that it's all easily viewed in one place and is neatly organized.

Also, there is such a thing as "constructive criticism". You should read up on it.

P.S. I'm curious as to why you didn't have a comment in regards to the length of the fight. It did last 4X longer than you thought it should have (9X, if we go by your thought of 1 panel rather than 2).

posted by Roaming Shadow (Guest) on November 2nd, 2011, 11:41 pm

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Gabe, having an opinion is not the issue here. You don't have to like the story if you don't want to. I can't please everyone all the time.

The problem is, everyone here already knows you don't like it. Your views are pretty clear on that. Continuing to post new messages with every update that amount to "See! This is just what I'm talking about..." isn't reaffirming. It's redundant.

Roaming has a good idea here. Start a thread on the forum, or join the existing one. That's where I'd prefer longer discussions to go anyway.

posted by DarkwingDork on November 3rd, 2011, 12:00 am

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@DarkwingDork: xkcd is, yes (and justifiably so) but I had 1/0 in mind.... that one developed as it went along

Some of the Cross Time Cafe strips are sticks as well....

posted by Arcaton (Guest) on November 3rd, 2011, 5:15 am

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You know what, I actually did read that entire thing, just as I have read your other comments in their entirety. Personally, I'm beginning to wonder how much of what I write you actually read, but as this is the internet and there is no way of knowing, I will not make any presumptions on that regard.

The first few times you posted your opinions, I thought you were quite mature about it, even if I thought you were a bit more negetive than you needed to be. When people began to disagree with you, like myself, however, that turned around in a hurry.

Do I speak directly for anyone who made this comic? No, and I make no presumptions on that. Do I believe you are trying to "force" your opinions on others? No, and I never said that. You haven't said that anything I say is wrong, you just appear to be taking offence that I disagree with your opinion and analyzing your comments as you've analyzed the comic.

I do not have a "need to gain approval", and power has nothing to do with this. It just happens that my opinions regarding this current plotline are apparently as strong as yours, and I have an equally strong motivation to express them. In that, we are, perhaps, not too dissimilar.

No, I don't think you are a "horrible" communicator. For instance, unlike trolls, you actually write in complete sentences with correctly spelled words. Do I feel you could communicate more clearly? At times, yes. That does not, however, mean I think you are horrible at expressing your opinion. If I couldn't understand you because you were that bad, I wouldn't even be able to respond to you, which is clearly not the case.

If you'll notice, we have both given more than our fair share of rude comments and insults. I won't deny that, and I'm not sure how you could either. I have tried to avoid attacking you directly, instead pointing out where I believe there are flaws in your criticism. You, on the otherhand, as demonstrated throughout that reply, call me insecure, obsessed with power, lack analytical training, and lazy. That is a lot of heat, and I do take offence to those remarks. But yes, I have made a few regretable comments myself as well.

I was treating you like an adult until you began being derogatory towards me.

And no, I do not believe you are lazy. A lazy person would never be able to write nearly as much as you do. However, you could perhaps have done a little more research, as it was Alexander who was wearing the "silly hat", and personally, of all that has transpired, I'm a little confused that you brought that back up (though I do suppose that is where all of this began, more or less). And I never said then that the comment was insulting, I just thought you had a disproportionally large negetive reaction to something that seemed rather innocent. Personally, I think it's sillier that Ally wears a cliche magician costume for doing this stuff.

Oh, believe me, I'm not worried about you "rubbing off" on the creator. Seeing as how said creator has agreed with me several times during our back-and-forths, I think that's a pretty safe presumption on my part. If you were honestly trying to derail and bring this comic to an end, this is not how to do it. It's just so far, you've said "in the nicest possible way", without telling him/her how to write it, that DarkWingDork has been doing pretty much everything wrong with this plotline, without giving much feedback on how to shore up all the weaknesses you've been pointing out.

If you would not compare this comic to a cartoon, what then is the closest comparison? A novel? A primetime drama? The Sunday funnys?

Not entirely sure why you bring up the whole Fact, Rational Belief, Irrational Belief thing. The Facts here are what happened on each page (though perhaps there is still room for interpretation there). The rest is opinion. Your beliefs, as expressed so far in regards to the comic, fall into the Rational Beliefs catagory. I can't really argue them being entirely irational, so I won't. However, there are times where I am unclear as to the ground upon which you're making your opinions, and you've made it quite clear that you do not have to explain yourself, and so I cannot truly understand where you're coming from, which is where some of the breakdown in communication is coming from I believe. It would appear that several others are also unclear on this, with all the finger pointing you mentioned. But, you've made it quite clear that you have no reason to make your opinions clearer, and so this is likely to continue. However, I do believe this is the last reply to you I shall make, for honestly, I think we can both agree that niether one of us will change our positions, and so this conversation can sadly go no further.

posted by Roaming Shadow (Guest) on November 3rd, 2011, 9:36 am

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Since GabrielsThoughts seems to have given up on expressing himself clearly, I suggest that all his further verbiage be ignored. I would further suggest that any reply to him be just as non sequitur-y as his attempts to reply to others.

With that in mind, here's my response to GT's latest verbiage: I like pie.

posted by Cubist on November 3rd, 2011, 12:30 pm

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Whoops, my bad, the hybrid's name I was thinking of was Xodiac, not Xander. Guess I should have taken my own advice before posting, as now I have to eat crow. 'Course, it's not like either Xodiac's or Geoffrey's names have actually been brought up since their introduction in strip #19, some 4 months ago. Still, didn't practive what I preached, and I look bad in the comparison there.

posted by Roaming Shadow (Guest) on November 3rd, 2011, 10:47 pm

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